[THE MENACE]

The R/T Tuning Guide for Dummies
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Ok, so you bought an R/T and you thought it was gonna be the coolest thing ever, right? And now you cant get it to work, theres so many problems, and you are just about to try to sell it off. STOP! You have a quality piece of equipment. It will save your skin one day, and you will be glad that you can play in the rain whilst all the e-grip guys cower under the shelter. There are a number of things that might interfere with your R/T:

Not Installed correctly:

Yep, it happens. Its ok, not your fault. All you have to do is open up your gun, drop in the R/T piston body, and hook up the outside hose (assuming you have a 98c. if you don't, Timmy will help you on that one. check his podcast for a-5 instructions and 98c disassembly). There is a little metal dealio that you have to punch out, so get your hammer and a screwdriver. Punch out the metal circle. Don't worry, it will come out eventually. Once you have it out, there is a small hose that runs off from the body of the piston. That goes into the little hole. Now, you need to make sure you have the correct powertube installed. if you do, then its as simple as screwing the black end of the longer hose into the right side of the receiver and screwing the silver part with the little screw into the spot above the grip where you punched out the little metal circle. As long as everything is tight, you installed it properly.

If using c02:

C02 is inherently cold. It freezes up stuff like you wouldn't believe. Fittings, O-rings, you name it. c02 just doesn't work, especially if you play in under 50* weather. But don''t despair, you dont have to convert to hpa yet:


-Regulator- A reg is a highly recommended upgrade no matter what air you are using. But with a reg, your c02 will expand into a gas form, thus not freezing up your fittings.

-Expansion Chamber- Basically, a poor-mans reg. It does its job well, though.

-Remote- A remote, besides the obvious benefits, acts as a big 'ole expansion chamber. This will allow the change from a liquid to gas.

-Anti-Siphon- This is just to top everything off. Definantly not necessary, as being i haven't seen a one in a while. I think the one i have is the only one left from the olden days If you have one, use it. If not, dont worry about it. It just helps things along.

-Vortex Ratchet- If you're running an R/T with a Cyclone Feed, you NEED a Vortex Ratchet. When using both together, you're operating very close to the bare minimum needed for the Cyclone to work properly. When the pressure starts to drop, you will quickly run into a sticky mess. The Vortex ratchet halves the operating pressure and will keep you running just fine. (thanks, warden wolf )


Ok, recap: Your c02 needs to expand into gas to keep it from killing off your o-rings and such. You can fix all of your problems with a reg, help the solution with an x-chamber, or kill a few birds with one stone with a remote. Better choose one, straight up on-gun air doesn't sit well with a fine-tuned R/T.

Now, you could also solve a whole lot of problems by simply getting HPA. It doesn't freeze, so you wont have a problem
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So you have something that will keep liquid c02 in your gun. Cool. Now what? Your R/T still isn''t working? Well, you still have to tune it. Its not completely drop in, ya know.

Tuning your R/T:

Now you want to shoot ropes? Sure thing. All you have to do is slowly pull the trigger whilst turning the screw. You will have to find the "sweet spot", so keep looking. You will find it. Once you start getting more than one shot, start turning the adjustment screw less and pulling the trigger more. There is an art to pulling the trigger, you need to keep constant pressure to keep it shooting. It helps if you have a single trigger. More pull means that you have more room to control your rate of fire. Yup, you can control how fast you shoot be how much net pressure you keep on the trigger. Aren't you glad you didn't get an e-grip?
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Maj Tom Tip: If you still cannot find the sweet spot, you should get bigger LP hoses and fittings. It'll increase flow and make sweet spot tuning a bit easier. It'll also make Cyclone/RT combos work more efficiently since there's more gas flowing to both devices.
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Sweet action, its tuned now. Just a few warnings:

If you have serial numbers: 98 Custom 978,401-1,091,000 or 98 Custom Pro 32,601-49,400, then you will be in a little trouble. Don't worry, just ask tippmann for a new bolt and you will be set. They should send it for free.

You may be able to shoot fast, but can your loader keep up with it? You will have to buy a desant loader. 9.81 meters per second squared is just not gonna keep up with the rate we are talking about. You will need a nicer loader. IE: q-loader, eggy, revvy, reloader b, and so on and so forth.

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Maj Tom Tip: If you use the ASA method of lubrication (couple drops of oil in the ASA then dry fire) be sure to periodically drain the piston chamber of residual oil that may have been blown into it. This could create a fluid lock and cause the RT to not function properly.
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You will empty your tank and paint supply FAST. So don't just keep shooting and shooting. Use judgment and bursts. You will get to light someone up eventually.

If you are still experiencing problems, go ahead and post. If any information in my guide is inaccurate, then shoot me a pm. Believe it or not, I'm human, and i tend to make mistakes. Maybe a little to often

Thanks for the help from: shalashaska, maj tom, evil fingers, tenacious221, and warden wolf

-THE MENACE

This post has been edited by THE MENACE: 02 April 2007 - 03:05 PM

[ANDERSON]

nice, i vote stickige.

[DVLCHLD]

THE MENACE, on Mar 19 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

Your c02 needs to expand into liquid to keep it from killing off your o-rings and such.
So you have something that will keep liquid c02 in your gun. Cool.

-THE MENACE

Just noticed a type-O. CO2 expands from a liquid into a gas. You want to keep liquid CO2 OUT of the marker.

[THE MENACE]

lol, i was really really tired when i did this. i wrote it and then typed a paper. i think i spent more time on this than the paper, evident in my grades

-THE MENACE

[c-dirty]

THE MENACE, on Mar 19 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

Now, you could also solve a whole lot of problems by simply getting HPA. It doesn't freeze, so you wont have a problem

-THE MENACE

I would love to but the problem is not everywhere has places that will fill HPA tanks

[Evil Fingers]

Heres the Actual Way to Fine Tune the RT

By Natural Newbie from Model98.org?
First lets make sure your RT is in proper working condition. Gas up your gun. Turn the RT adjustment all the way counter-clockwise until it stops. Fire your gun one or two times. This should make your trigger VERY hard to pull, this insures you that your RT is working correctly with no leaks. Now turn the adjustment screw clockwise until the trigger is easy to pull. You can leave it here for high rates of fire, or turn it further clockwise for a lower rate of fire.

Now that we know your RT is in working condition lets set it up for maximum performance. Since the RT is such a brut method to fire a gun, not much fine tuning has to be done. Since the RT will be doing all the work of re-setting the trigger, remove the trigger return spring. Now check to make sure you have the stronger sear spring that comes with the RT kit. Your gun will still work with the standard spear spring, but if you have your gun running in the 16+ BPS range, your gun may misfire and not cock without the stiffer RT sear spring. You can identify the stronger spring by the bigger diameter of the coils.

Now just use the ROF adjuster on the outside of the gun to pick how fast you want your sweetspot to be. Remember you can control how fast you fire by how you work the trigger too. It's like driving a race car, it takes some practice, but eventually you will have total control!

[THE MENACE]

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I would love to but the problem is not everywhere has places that will fill HPA tanks

yeah, same here. i run remote and i do just fine. it works as an x-chamber.

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Heres the Actual Way to Fine Tune the RT

i have he stock sear spring, and i have shot tons of air through it, and no mis-cocks although maybe i am just lucky, lol

that first paragraph is what the manual says, but its not completely necessary IMHO. i think its quicker just to fiddle with it for a bit.

lmk if there is anything i missed/should include and i will fix it. i am always open to suggestions

-THE MENACE

[silent killa]

oh yeah nice post i second the sticky

[agentM192]

And just for the record, it's anti siphon. Siphon tanks actually feed C02 liquid into the gun required by some old Tippmanns and maybe some other oldies.

THOSE are old those tanks.

[THE MENACE]

yeah, i have an old siphon tank. idk how much its worth, but its definantly out of hydro, lol. edited!

-THE MENACE

[Maj Tom]

Depends on it's dimensions under 2 in Diameter under 2ft length and it never needs to be rehydro'd (if I remember correctly)

[THE MENACE]

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Depends on it's dimensions under 2 in Diameter under 2ft length and it never needs to be rehydro'd (if I remember correctly)

yeah, i measured it, and its two and a half, so no dice. its a 12 oz anyway. i can hear teh rattle of the siphon in there. the thing is probably ten years old, lol.

-THE MENACE

[uber]

THE MENACE, on Mar 23 2007, 09:44 PM, said:

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Depends on it's dimensions under 2 in Diameter under 2ft length and it never needs to be rehydro'd (if I remember correctly)

yeah, i measured it, and its two and a half, so no dice. its a 12 oz anyway. i can hear teh rattle of the siphon in there. the thing is probably ten years old, lol.

-THE MENACE

where exactly is this screw to turn for the r/t? any pictures?

[THE MENACE]

ok, solved your problem via pm

-THE MENACE

[DVLCHLD]

I highly recommend the R/T.

This post has been edited by DVLCHLD: 28 March 2007 - 06:59 PM